". @rabumalal: Dream would probably solo LT hes near pre-retcon beyonder level at best read into his feats. SCP-682 (SCP Foundation) vs Beyonder (Pre Retcon) Fight ends only in Death. 3 years ago. • 1 year ago. Beyonder was the sum power of a multiverse, which still resides within a greater omniverse that Wanda's spell began to collapse . but the other writers ruined and screwed up these characters. Battles. R. R4 - Pre Retcon Beyonder takes on the 5 and the Defenders members at the same time. Followers. . 0. 5 years ago. Many People are Underestimating Pre Retcon Beyonder in The Comments but they are forgetting some thing. 1 year ago. 14 years ago. PR Beyonder is probably the strongest comic character there is if you go by feats alone and not by hype. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. There are more multiverses in existence than stars in the sky. I am unsure post-retcon Beyonder would even beat that version of her, which was a far. Dr Manhattan is a very proficient matter-energy manipulator. . New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder casually eliminated Death from the universe and could have wiped out the universe in a snap. Regulator Thanos wins, both these characters are above LT in power scope, however the HOTU. let's wait and see his actual feats. ago. Death only dealt with Dream so casually because of how the concepts they embody interact with each other. So I might be missing something. Conceptual Warping Tier C vs Particle Manipulating Tier B. VS. 2. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon Feats, Secret Wars and 1984 and pre-1984 Scaling only) Ivory Kings, First Firmament + Ultimate Ultimates. Pre Retcon Beyonder Stomps, the only powers that could hope to challenge him are The One Above, the Ultimate Source, The Presence, The Living Tribunal. Who Is Strongest || Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Hajun#whoisstrongest#shorts#marvel#marvelcomics#marvelstudios#dc#dccomics#dceu#lucifer#beyonder#viralshorts#anime#. If the race, then that is a good battle. If this is pre retcon then beyonder. Fight takes place in current DC universe. They both basically live outside of the multiverses that they are part of. #44 Edited By Debunker020202. "No other force or power in existence could. Anyone trying to still argue Pre Retcon Beyonder is some Marvel top tier needs to have their info refreshed. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is literally millions of times more powerful than the Marvel creation which contains infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses upon infinite multiverses and so on into infinity. Reviews: 0. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . Who is a better god like figure?Both Beyonders wins. [deleted] • 8 yr. The omnipotent Beyonder is on a destructive rampage and has decided to destroy the entire Marvel omniverse. He was the single most dangerous threat the Marvel multiverse had ever faced, until he was retconned into a more limited character with varied origins. 1. Wiki Points. WF Mxy vs Pre Retcon Beyonder is basically picking which company you like more : DC or Marvel. The biggest question is Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs HOTU. Poll Current Lucifer Morningstar vs. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. #2 Edited By juiceboks Moderator. Jack Kirby never wanted the Tribunal to ever be even threatened and the ultimate authority for a long time as long as he was in the company, so LT being beaten was seen as an insult by some comic fans. The only. They literally referenced him and said that he was just a child. MJJ's powers keep increasing exponentialy. . Pre-Retcon Beyonder, represented by Amendment50 Elder God Demonbane, represented by God_Vulcan PLEASE VOTE FOR WHOEVER YOU THINK DEBATED THE BEST, NOT WHICH CHARACTER. Another statement made about. I really can't be asked to go. Originally posted by. Beyonder made everything happen,every occurrence, positive or negative, was of Beyonder's own making Beyonder can rewriter everything,Even rewriter "Pre-recton Beyonder" into "SW3" HOTU never have. 2. There's no feats indicating that the Pre-Retcon Beyonder would be able to get through the Doomslayer's armor. She easily could hold an infinite-D multiverse in her hand, while Beyonder's best feat was to shake an infinite-D. He is the central antagonist of the Battleworld arc in Season 4: Secret Wars. The Beyonder didn’t know. HOM wanda. u/nullfather can attest to that. Lucifer is way above pre Retcon BeyonderPRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Beyonder erases him from existence. It's stated so multiple times throughout the comics. 0. Follow 474. New comments cannot be posted. Prepare for. So, it is the power of pre-retcon Beyonder. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the never-ending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth's. #11. Beyonder even realized he was the Pre-Retcon one too lol Not to mention Beyonder detailing Doc Strange's win con over him, tailor made for Loki and proven when he and Sylvie enchanted Alioth, who. Tons of awesome Beyonder wallpapers to download for free. deactivated-5d755a684b00b. All proof that is needed is the fact that he is beyond the marvel multiverse. Galactus is fodder here. Still Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Definitely Beyonder. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. PR-Beyonder was implied to be more powerful than the Living Tribunal, while Mxy was depowered by the Spectre, and Spectre has beaten other 5D imps before. A being who is millions of times stronger than the marvel Multiverse vs a being for whom the marvel. The thing is though, "Pre-Retcon Beyonder" is the Beyonder circa Secret Wars II, 1985. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. That being said, I’m going to give this one to the pre-retcon Beyonder. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. Still, Pre-retcon Beyonder stomps here. #1 Edited By NinjaWarrior268. 2. The Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)should be Tier 0. 3. From what I know of Sun Wukong, he doesn't even come close to him. He's about cause and effect and. Open comment sort options Best; Top; New. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. And yeah he stomps. Doom, when has anything even close to that happened to the Tribunal? My point is Marvel states he is the one thing/person/entity that. Real title: The beyonder vs the living tribunal. The Beyonder “realizes” something. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. @baron_von_santa: Doubt it, Pre-Retcon beyonder was supposed to be the ToAA of another reality but was later retconned into the "Cosmic Cube" crap. He. For reference Pre-Retcon Beyonder is stronger than the Infinity Gauntlet by leaps and bounds but a Cosmic Cube is stated and shown to be vastly inferior to the Infinity Gauntlet. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. ) along with the Great Houses of Gallifrey (A. FIRST COSMOS. That was an accident. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. First, that was a bad parody of Aquiles. The Beyonder is a cosmic entity of immense power. PR Beyonder was able to erase LT with a wave of his hand. @Ziro: Pre-Retcon Beyonder got his powers taken away by Dr. Regardless. He was even above and beyond the writing staff . COIE Anti Monitor. The Classic Beyonder would be able to take Anti Monitor at full power out. PR Beyonder is way beyond than Thanos with IG. Pre-Retcon Beyonder. He is only nigh-omnipotent, nigh-omniescent, and nigh-omnipresent. Jul 30, 2018. Making a spite. Round 1: All-Mighty vs True Form Oblivion. 7 K. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL. About Press Copyright Contact us Creators Advertise Developers Terms Privacy Policy & Safety How YouTube works Test new features NFL Sunday Ticket Press Copyright. R1: Lucifer wins Mid-difficulty R2: Pre-recton beyonders wins high difficulty. Round 1: CAS vs. Jump Force Goku view all Shonen as fiction how will Pre Retcon Beyonder will win. Beyonder was a formless mindless white space above the Multiverse, made purely. it would be mostly stalemate. so i think the only characters that can beat him are tier 0 characters like boundless. Master/Crazy Hand, Tabuu, Galeem/Dharkon. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. He may have to resort to starving them out by erasing humanity though. 2. This is way larger than the entire Marvel verse and DC verse. In Immortal Hulk#50 TOAA said he becomes TOBA when he has to do. But technically TR isn't a part of DC comics , the author has made it like DC comics ends at limbo and TR lives in the meta state , everything appearing. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. so the Doomslayer stomps. He wins. synnar the. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. the_doctor. Precursors and Silentium Flood (Halo) vs Pre-Retcon Beyonder (616 Marvel) Apparently, the Precursors are massively multiversal as the Forerunners, who are inferior to them, can use entire universes to power themselves. So, I looked at The Beyonder's (Pre-Retcon)profile and, found out that he is rated Tier High 1-B and likely, 1-A. #36. The living embodiment of The Beyond Realm, a reality outside of the Marvel multiverse, he utilizes his powers over reality, space, and time to observe the neverending battle between good and evil, serving as both an ally and enemy to Earth’s. Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion. Fight takes place in an empty multiverse. Going by Cosmology Tiering. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. R3 - Inhuman/Mutant Beyonder faces the 5. He was the TOAA of own multiverse, separate to that of the Marvel multiverse before he came across the. @whydama: well beyonder was stated to be millions of times more powerful than all the. Victini could arguably do it if you allow Pokedex entries. Forum Posts. PR Beyonder is millions of times stronger than the Marvel multiverse. . Originally posted by the Darkone Spectre at full powered is above the pre-recon beyonder, Spectre is powered by God, I'm sorry that's one Ace even the pre-recon Beyonder can't overcome. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. Reviews: 0. Originally Beyonder was a mysterious cosmic entity from outside the multiverse who was more powerful than Galactus, The Celestials, and the entire Cosmic Compass. Pre Retcon Beyonder has been nearly killed before by lesser being and has been outsmarted more than once by people so far below his power level. Don't think God Thing's H4X compares. The power possessed by the Beyonders seems to dwarf all other beings in existence, with the exception of the One-Above-All, as the Beyonders were able to defeat and subsequently destroy every incarnation of every cosmic being that ruled over existence within a matter of months. Thanos wins this. Beyonder - vs - Beyonder # 21 K. g. Round 1: CAS vs. Cubey. Beyonder Wallpapers. "No other force or power in existence could. Follow 2882. And the SCP verse is on par with the Dark Tower when it comes to sheer size and scale. If PR Beyonder is superior to TOAA then God Emperor. Been done here on the vine. Beyonder if what I hear of Gan/Crimson King is true (and. Round 9: Lord English (Anyone who served him and who were amped by him count) Respect Thread for him and a bit for his Servants. The Crimson King Edit: Different sizes of infinity. Beyonder, spite as usual with beyonder. Any of the Smash gods could do it, and so would the beings above. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1 Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal 4 years ago #2. 1. Dr Manhattan has the power to control matter as well as subatomic perception and control. Pre-Retcon Beyonder is probably here as well. A Pre-Retcon Beyonder is beyond the Galaxy, beyond Dimensions, beyond the Multi Verse and should easily stomp the absolute shit out of whatever pseudo intellectual Neil Gaiman fake mystic mumbo. 9 K. The original Beyonder was a failed Cosmic Cube, the second one was a failed Cosmic Power, and the third one was a failed Cosmic Force. The beyonder has way better feats. Trying to apply that to the Beyonder is meaningless, he may as well embody all of them considering his origin. @dami24434: cosmology expansion. His anti-feats are plot-induced because it's attempting to tell the story of him trying to figure out the Marvel multiverse because it's so tiny and simplistic in scope to the Beyonder realm. #1 Nicholas_Jones. Thanks!!!!!fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. 4 years ago. Beyonder was at TOAA level pre-retcon. #20. Abraxas, the personification of the destruction of the multiverse, is likely somewhere around here, although since he only appeared in a few issues of Fantastic Four as far as I know, it's hard to tell. As I said I'm not intimately familiar with pre retcon beyonder or even marvel comics overall. Pre-retcon beyonder can't do anything to sun wukong. Beyonder preretcon upgrade to 1A. I would take the race of the Beyonders against the race. The rest of the rounds Marvel is pretty dominant, maybe they could do something in the final round. This is a simple fight. 3 years ago. Morals are on for Shuma. Both are in character. The Pre-Retcon Beyonder is the embodiment of the Beyond-Realm and is the chief of the extra-dimensional race the Beyonders who created the cosmic cubes and Kosmos, but. PR Beyonder curbstomps. Even though most of Beyonder's feats in SW are still canon, Doom's statement could have *only* been in reference to POST-retcon (ie. Pre-Retcon Beyonder just erases the Throne of Heroes, killing every single servant because servants are copies of heroes, made using information from the Throne of Heroes Or he could just wipe out the entire Fate universe and everything outside itPre-Retcon Beyonder kills Thanos no matter what the circumstances are. Pre-Retcon Beyonder would easily beat Lucifer Morningstar, and would probably stalemate TOAA and MoM. O. It’s Lucifer vs PR Beyonder basically. Beyonder's best feats consist of warping reality on a Multiversal scale in his fight with MM, and being millions of times stronger than anyone in the marvel multiverse, but that's only impressive up to a certain point before it becomes. Forum Posts. Note: While the Beyonder's existence is often divided between "pre-retcon" and "post-retcon" in relation to the original Secret Wars, this is not entirely accurate. I think Sun Wukong wins because he managed to achieve Nirvana which according to Buddhist teachers is transcendence of all concepts. Not only that he struggled heavily against madrakk and trust me Beyounder is infinty stronger than Mandrakk. Post-retcon is still strong, there’s no doubt about that, but he’s still much much weaker than his Pre-retcon counterpart:. Beyonder (Pre-Retcon)PennywiseThe Crimson King. R1: Pre-Retcon Beyonder Takes Low-Mid Difficulty. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". You need to be logged in to post comments. TOAA is God of Marvel while PR Beyonder is a much bigger god. If that's the case, Team 2 stomps. Iirc only TOAA was more powerful than the Beyonder. Thanos Hotu and Great Evil Beast 49%. VS. And post retcon… well Peter Parker had his power for one billionth of a second a rewrote all of reality. He was the TOAA of his own multiverse. Post-Retcon Molecule Man. I don’t know anything about Anos Voldigoad, but Beyonder beats pretty much anyone so I’ll. Hey guy's! aaj jo mai batane jaa rha hoon #Marvel ke most powerful character jo sirf marvel multiiverse me hi nhi balki dusre companies ke multiverse se bada. Beyonder scaled above all. BEYONDERSIn fact, Pre-Retcon Beyonder had a completely different origin than being a child unit. Pre-retcon Beyonder was significantly more powerful than the Living Tribunal. Team 1 = Two Grain Pre-Retcon Beyonder. Not to say he's necessarily just a planetary threat now. Beyonder explicitly said "everything you can dream about, I can do", and it is confirmed by few characters present there. 103. said: "Pre-Retcon Beyonder wins 10/10. At that time, The Beyonder was more powerful than the Living Tribunal and thus everything else in the Marvel Universe. The beyonder is accordingy to comic book guys a 5th tier cosmic. Learn the difference between the original, toned-down, and evolved versions of the Beyonder, a cosmic entity that can create and. KuRuPT Thanosi. Round 4: All-Mighty vs The three of them. Neutral. Round 3: CAS and Myx vs PR Beyonder and Living Tribunal. Even an Taiyoku level of One is easily Outerversal level. He also sits just below the prime meta-versal being in his respective property. Protege is the embodiment of a "no-limits" fallacy though. 0. Beyonder is canonically a "child unit" of the BeyonderS that were the antagonists of the 2015 series- and those things wiped out the entire marvel abstract tier including LT without breaking a sweat. DONATE TO SUPPORT THE CHANNEL! Put a message with your donation so I know your request if your donation is for a request tier. 5 years ago Galactic_1000Every single universe in the entirety of the Marvel multiverse combined is literally a drop in the ocean to Pre-Retcon Beyonder's power, The minotors exist in a dimension called "The Bleed", which is basically identical to Marvels "The Beyond". The only thing the Beyonder wasn’t able to do was truly understand what it was like to not be the Beyonder. 4 years ago #3. than i understand from other blogs Pre-retcon Beyonder is High 1-A/ High Outerversal in beyond-realm. Text-only Version:. (616)Spider-Man with the powers of the beyonder vs these verses. Pretty sure he can't do shit to The Presence lol & there's also Lucy & Michael there. Lucifer does not stand a chance here. Batman with prep vs Beyonder. The events of. Preretcon Beyonder wins. "Pre retcon beyonder" had no limits and couldn't be destroyed. He was thousands of times the power of the Marvel. It's similar to how using the Super Exciting guides for SSJ Multipliers should not take away from Goku's feats in 1990 when his SSJ form alone in the Namek Saga was far above a Galaxy busting Freiza. Anyway Beyonder is infinitely more powerful than most of the shit in marvel including multiversal threats like Galactus and Thanos. Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs Pralaya. Sylvester Stallone, Jason Staham, Bruce Willis, Van Damme, Vin Diesel and Chuck Norris start fighting each other. This fight takes place in a neutral space and either party wants to kill the other. First is the. The Beyonder asks Molecule Man a question and doesn’t know if he can sacrifice Dave. the beyonder is literally the embodiment of a universe which dwarfs the mainstream multiverse, so he can do the same thing for the multiverse, but not all of marvel (since marvel is an omniverse. While pre retcon beyonder almost gets argued for a lose against toaa after a hard fought battle! So i think pre retcon beyonder = the presence. Spectre. Manhattan's league. Fight takes place in an infinite dimension. 0. Supermanthor. Wiki Points. destinyman75. 4 years ago. We can actually prove that Pre-Retcon Beyonder is fodder to Composite-DC. Mephisto said that The Beyonder could make idlest imaginings a reality with a wave of his hand, turning all of existence inside out), Vibration Manipulation (Created an earthquake throughout the city), Attack Reflection (Deflected Magneto's power beam towards the X-Men), Magnetism Manipulation (Repelled Magneto by duplicating his own magnetic. The One Above All/Pre retcon Beyonder (both characters were created by legendary comic book writers Jack Kirby and Jim Shooter, Beyonder and OAA are avatars of these two comic book writers. Aug 9, 2016. Goku is low outer at best and byonder is easily outerversal. The molecule man destroys the machine and sends the enormous energies of the Beyonder into his beyond-realm forming a big bang and creating a new universe in the process - Scan 1, Scan 2, Scan 3, Scan 4 and Scan 5. 3. the_doctor. The Beyonder was once a God with limitless powers in the Marvel Omniverse. The Beyonder/s (Marvel) vs Bleach universe. #2 Stalin-Is-Steel. Eternity, Death, Infinity, Oblivion. The Beyonder is a recurring antagonist of Avengers Assemble. Forum Posts. God’s best feat is him creating the concept of light with a single command, while Beyonder has crazy other things that are more impressive. A few pages leter Beyonder comes back kills Doom and starts curb stomping everyone including wrecking the mutli verse and breaking apart countless realities That's what Pre Retcon Beyonder is A. deactivated-5d45fd7ce1a16. When The Pre-Retcon Molecule Man(with the Infinite portion of The Beyonder's Powers)fought The Beyonder, they were stated to be "2 of the mightiest being in ALL Existence(or, All-Fiction)". If the individual, then pre-retcon Beyonder wins hands down. Pre Retcon Beyonder is far far beyond any of his other forms. The Living Tribunal was able to stop the Infinity Gaunlet from working, while PR Molecule Man stated to be stronger than all other beings in the Multiverse, Including Abstracts, and the Living Tribunal . Gan & Crimson King VS Pre Retcon Beyonder. @slacker the hacker said: "@Mackeja said: "Pre-retcon spite. This topic is locked from further discussion. 3. Pre-retcon beyonder 1 on 1. DC_Marvel_1000. Pre Retcon Beyonder VS Azathoth 179 results 1 2 3 4 #1 Edited By deactivated-5fb6c77c8d900 I see alot of extrenely OP character being pitted against. Lucifer is a different beast. (Please add any important quotations that may be missing, ensuring to cite the original source. Beyonder was everything outisde the Multi-verse. 5 years ago. SCP-682's adaptive powers are seriously NLF-prone. This has to be a joke wtf. Well pre-retcon beyonder was able to erase marvels death. Conditions of the battle: *Composite Time Lords will include variants of the Time Lords from the Expanded Doctor Who Universe (e. He is his total opposite and equal in power. Yes I'am aware of that but you to remeber that with the Inhuman Beyonder was that this retcon took him back to his Pre-Retcon roots and also everything Pre-Retcon Beyonder did is still cannon to. Pre-Retcon beyonder could be said to be the "God before genesis" he was God before TOAA existed in the comics at that time, and when TOAA came into existence as an omnipotent character they had to greatly reduce the power of the Beyonder, from there they began to know him as "Post-retcon beyonder". faster. The Beyonder is far, far beyond a Multiversal. In Lucifer DC Multiverse is not just infinite dimensional but also existing in multiple existence as seen in his conversation with Presence. He was like the 2nd strongest guy in Marvel, only underneath the One Above All. Because PR Beyonder mentioned how he wants her to return what’s rightfully his, which one of things I’m assuming that could be is a portion of his power he lent or something like that. Pre retcon MM scared the cosmics of the 80s even as groups, they had to just let him pass by out of fear, even beg him to fight Beyonder due to how scared shitless they were of both. We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. #1. Ruphas not in baseline L1A, Ruphas can easily defeated Alovenus which is rated L1A character. Azrael and Time(Discworld) 4. Battle for the title of 2nd strongest Marvel Character. vs. PRE RETCON BEYONDER goes to the DRAGON BALL universe and fights all Dragonball characters at the same time - this includes Zeno Sama, The Angels, Whis, All Gods of Destruction, Broly, Goku, Vegeta, etc. Has no equal or superior, Created Heaven’s (which could be a Universe) with a word and is just flat out stated to be omnipotent with. R2: God stomps. User Lists: 0We would like to show you a description here but the site won’t allow us. But beyonder that isn’t pr gets absorbed. 7. 17 Ginriu. Round 2: CAS VS PR Beyonder with Living Tribunal. It will take a signifigant effort to kill the Phoenix Force, Just like Death, but he will do it. But seeing hat The Pre Retcon Beyonder was basically on the Living Tribunal's level. #4. @kingkronos said: @Pwok21 said:. The omnipotent Beyonder is on a destructive rampage and has decided to destroy the entire Marvel omniverse. Pre Retcon Beyonder is TOAA of a world much much larger than Marvel Multiverse. Both are in character. Pre-Ret MM having abstracts such as LT and Eternity beg him to fight Beyonder implies he's one incredibly powerful dude. Round 1: CAS vs. Pre Retcon Beyonder vs Dr Doom. Beyonder is just Metaverse level or Low Metaverse. The people at Marvel Comics figured it was a dumb idea, so they changed (or retconned) it. Numidium 2. The Beyonder, and Molecule man, are each. The difference between that portrayal and what Pre-Crisis Superman was capable of is most likely over a dozen orders of magnitude greater than the one between an amoeba and Pre-Crisis Superman. Then the pre retcon beyonder attacks himself. Reinhard or Mercurius could beat Pre-Retcon Beyonder.